Showing posts with label Burning Tree Board of Directors. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Burning Tree Board of Directors. Show all posts

Saturday, September 22, 2012

Voting rights

Voting
  • BTMA Articles of Incorporation state that a director need not be a member of the corporation---
  • BTMA was to send out the agenda with annual meeting to know what was to be voted on (BTMA BYLAWS STATES MEETINGS OF MEMBERS 3. Written notice of each meeting of the members shall be given by or at the direction of the secretary or person authorized to call the meeting by mailing a copy of such notice, postage prepaid, at least ten (10) days before the meeting to each member entitled to vote addressed to the member’s last address appearing on the books of the Association or supplied by such member to the Association for the purpose of notice. The notice shall specify the place, day, hour and agenda of the meeting and in case of a special meeting, the purpose of the meeting.
  • Voting rights   
  • Who can vote? The BTMA Must allow all MEMBERS to vote. They MUST send out letters to all of owners....  duplex and apartment owners ARE lot owners.(Look at the covenants and check those lots against the Tulsa County Assessors site and you will see they are in Burning Tree. The duplexes and apartments were not removed by a vote of the people in the subdivision  because the covenants  could only be changed AFTER 1993, not in 1977 as some claim a vote was taken to exclude the apartments and duplexes!!! And it could not be done by a vote but by a written instrument, with signatures from a majority of lot owners and then filed at the Tulsa county. It was never done!   The BTMA  cannot exclude some lot owners just because they decide to! Read: Not assessing all when the covenants spell out whi...

NO AMENDMENT SHOULD BE VOTED ON UNLESS EVERY LOT OWNER HAS THE CHANCE TO STUDY IT
Although the annual meeting notice for 2012 said there would be a vote on amendments,there were no details given so homeowners really have no idea what they’revoting on or what they are handing off their proxy to be voted on.  The actual language of the amendment is critical.
  
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO PASS ANYTHING WITHOUT LETTING THE APARTMENTS AND DUPLEXES HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE? 


Even if the BTMA board hands out the actual language of the proposed amendments, lot owners need time to study them. If they just say we're going to vote on a amendment to do thus and so  a motion need to be made to "move that any action to amend the By-Laws of the BTMA be postponed to a future special meeting to consider the question, such meeting to be scheduled not less than ten (10) working days after the full legal text of each proposed amendment has been sent to each homeowner, to give themsufficient time to inform themselves and decide on their course of action.”

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

What Are We Votin On September 24?

Me and Em Jae been hearin and readin about the amendments the ole bored of direcktors wants us homeowners to vote on at the meeting September 24, down to the pool area. Well, where in tarnation are these amendments so we can figger our if it is a good or bad idear!

We heard nobody at the first annual meetin ever got to see a copy, an they didn't even put it in there newsletter theys all so proud of. Heard ole Jewels claimed they didn't have enough room to put it in there, but they sure can find room for all there other lyon stories, an stuff about peoples sheds in there back yards!

Good grief! Ain't none of them bored members got a lick of sense? Everbody knows that the BTMA has No  authority to tell us how or even if us folks enforce our very own covenants for our areas. Might be that they  are jealous, 'cause the BTMA don't have no covenants of there very own. For sure now, the don't.

Anyho.....I jest scratches my head and wunder if our career bored members really knows the difference between by-laws and covenants, and if they don't, we sure don't want them votin in secret on the phone or on there computin monitors!

Lands sakes! All them bored members needs to put on there "big peoples pants" and take care of all the business at there regular scheduled meetins,  and not be having no secret meetings on there phones or any other ways. Why can you jest imagine what they will be able to vote-in amongst thereselves with no other people to say whoa, wait a minute! Ain't nobody that busy nor important not to conduct business at there regular scheduled meetin. Likes I said before, ya'll get yourselfs  to the meetin September 24 down to the pool area!


Will

Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Will On The Annual Meetin

Folks, I sure wished me & Em Jae had been there the other nite down to the  Annual Meetin, for sure now. But ole Em Jae had the vapors (delicate way to say she had herself a bad attack of gas). Anyho....

Evn so, I got to enjoy the MP3 clip of the hollerin and goings on, an my other friend is borrying the video afore it goes on the you-tube. My friend told me not to be a scared when I does get to see it cause the way he put it.....ole Laney Cups 'o Coffee was breathin smoke and fire all over to the Lady Te Shauna sitting acrosst from her. Why by golley, ole Laney Cups 'o Coffees hasband was akting all like he didn't even know her at all what with him cowering back in the corner like he couldn't hear all the fuss she was a making. Em Jae would have me by the ear, I tell you what, if I did that akting like I had never seen her before but I guess when you are used to it, you jest tune it out!

My friend says not even one of the bored members ever got up to see what those two was discussing, no sir. Which makes me wonder why that Little-Big-Man done went an called the police, seeing as how no one from the bored ever went over the hole time Laney Cups 'o Coffee was breathin all that smoke and fire all over the Lady Te Shauna. Maybe he was jest afraid that those two were speaking there mind before the meetin started, and everbody knows people are not supposed to be able to say nothin that the bored don't agree with.

Everone figgered out jest real quick who was the Little-Big-Man up there akting like he was all real important, having a real big title now and Jewels letting him do all the esplaning since she has only been a career bored member for how many years now? And when  he went and called the police, everone is still snickering about him being clueless, all the whiles he is thinking he is knowing what is going on. Folks, you jest can't make this stuff up! I heard on that tape, and my friend is telling me this as he is a watching the video.

Remember you herd it first here from me an Em Jae, jest like we told you afore, how that big ole tree gonna fall down on some people's real soon.....Anyho....There is some speckulation that the harassment by Laney Cups 'o Coffee toward the Lady TeShauna at the meetin was a set up from the bored of directors, cause they are powerful afraid of one who is so smart and knows the facts and can prove each and ever one of them facts. Ya'll remember a whiles back when our other career bored president (who wasn't even president or even on the bored), calls a special kangaroo-court...um...meetin to throw the Lady TeShauna outta her spot as president?

Yessiree, she sure did now. That is when they had rehearsed and set-up ole Whirl Windy to be their leader. And ya'll know how well that year turned out. What with the bored hiring themselves a fancy highly powdered attorney who charged them thousands of dollars to give his thoughts on all the governing dockuments. He done went an got it all wrong, anyways, but he sure did get his money for his incorrect thinking after all, now. All them other attorneys that homeowners hired are still laughing 'bout that to this very day, for sure!

Gotta go, my friend is bringing the video over for me to watch.........


Will







Wednesday, September 5, 2012

This Is How Your Assessments Are Spent



SHOCKING, DISTURBING, AND APPALLING! A  "MUST READ" FOR EVERYONE. 

It is important that everyone sees what was posted by a Burning Tree Master Association lifeguard concerning  a neighbor lady who uses a wheelchair. 

Both of the following videos document her attempt to get to the pool. Click on the link for each and look at the comments made by bluesman619: 

See for yourself where bluesman619 posted:  "No one cares."


Youtube video #2
Comments:
  • RandyTheMaster1  posted: To be honest. I don't think handicaps even need to enter the pool area. Even if it were paved. It's too dangerous, people are crazy. I wouldent want to see her get splashed, trampled, etc. I've been with BTP for awhile.
  • bluesman619  posted: Being handicapped means you have to accept not being able to do things that non-handicapped people do. Seriously, no one cares. Go play wheelchair basketball. 

Can you believe the same BTMA lifeguard posted that?? 

Why in the world would a Burning Tree Master Association Pool lifeguard post  cruel things about handicapped people, who would like to enjoy the pool and have as much fun as he seems to be having? 

Who exactly is bluesman619 who is posting these type of things?

Below is the screenshot captured from : tube slide stunt part 2  video that bluesman619 uploaded 5 years ago. He says he was a lifeguard at the Burning Tree Master Association Pool when posting these.( However, he made those comments in 2012!)  It shows the whole world exactly who bluesman619  is.  If you do not see a picture click: here  and look closely within the first 3 seconds of the video and you will see who bluesman619 is:



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bluesman619 wrote: Just more stupid stuff me and a couple of friends do while its raining at the pool. 
(I don't know about you but I would prefer if he was being paid with my money that

he work instead of goofing off and making fun of people. I'd like to know what kind of people raised a kid
like this that says such ugly, cruel things about others.)






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How many years has he been a lifeguard? Do you see someone in the pictures posted  on the BTMA Facebook (below) that looks just like the screenshot of Bluesman619?

  1. Burning Tree Master Association Pool  
  2. Another picture 


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More videos that Bluesman619 posted that were taken at the BTMA pool. 

Wonder what the Burning Tree Master Association insurance company
is going to think about the liability issues on this???

Where was the pool manager when this nonsense was going on?



bluesman619 uploaded this video 5 years ago

Stupid Tube Slide Stunt

bluesman619 wrote: this is what the lifeguards do when it rains at the pool... we duct tape 6 rafts to Landon against his own will and pushed him down the water slide. 

(Again where was the pool manager and what does the insurance company for Burning Tree Master Association have to say about the liability issues? How well are the applicants for lifeguard and pool manager actually screened?)  




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diving board raft stunt bluesman619 posted: more dumb stuff...



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Monday, May 28, 2012

DISTURBING ~ BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION BOARD IGNORES ADA REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL MANDATE


The Burning Tree Master Association board of directors has only worried about the pool lift and has completely ignored the remainder of the federal requirements!! 

FINES BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOR  VIOLATING (BY IGNORING) THE FEDERAL MANDATE

The Americans with Disability Act (ADA) Standards established specific rules concerning accessibility for handicapped individuals to facilities and pools. The ADA Act went into effect on March 15, 2012; with the exception of ADA approved pool lifts installation. According to the Department of Justice, the pool lift is the ONLY requirement that received an extension. All other aspects of the ADA Standards Act must be in compliance by the March 15, 2012 deadline. Failure to follow this federal law can have serious consequences, up to and including a $55,000.00 fine for the first violation, and $110,000.00 for the second.



UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS ASSURED HOMEOWNERS THEIR COMPLAINTS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED
Several complaints have been filed with the United States Department of Justice concerning Burning Tree Master Association facilities. We have been assured these complaints are currently being investigated by the Department of Justice and HUD.

IS HAVING A "PLAN IN PLACE"  PROTECTION AGAINST FINES?
The board of directors have stated that all the Department of Justice requires of them is to have  “a plan in place”, so they assume don’t have to do anything now to make the facility accessible to those who are handicapped.  However,  the DOJ advised that any HOA board of directors using that as a defense must be able to “support the claim” (prove that they haven't had the money to do the work). 

In addition to the video (which you are urged to view) the Department of Justice has been receiving complaints  regarding Burning Tree Master Association's total disregard for the  ADA Standards of Accessible Design, which were effective March 15, 2012. (CONFIRMED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ON MAY 25, 2012 that these were required to be in place before the facilities was to open):

The DOJ mandate for ADA compliance deadline was not extended as the Burning Tree Master Association Board of directors will have you believe. Only the pool lift installation deadline was extended. 

The ADA 2010 Standards enforced by the Department of Justice Civil Rights has specific requirements. The following is a partial list of items that the Burning Tree Master Association Board of directors was required by the Department of Justice to have done BEFORE opening in May 2012.  $55,000.00 fine for the first violation, and $110,00 for the second violation.


  1. location and number of accessible handicapped parking spaces and the number of those that must be van accessible
  2. “level ground” for parking space and access aisle
  3. parking space size for cars
  4. access aisle space size
  5. vans space size
  6. "van accessible” and international symbol of accessibility  signs along with their placement and height
  7. marking of the accessible route connecting each access aisle to accessible building entrances (Section 502.3)  
  8. firm, stable, slip-resistant surface for accessible route with no steps or steeply sloped surfaces and adjoining each access aisle serving accessible parking spaces
  9. the minimum clearance at the parking space, the adjacent access aisle and along the vehicular route to the space and vehicular exit.  
  10. size of the access aisle next to the van parking space to permit a person using a wheelchair or scooter to exit or enter a van with a side-mounted lift along with the allowable slope of walking surfaces, 
  11. compliance under 302 for floor and ground surfaces, Section 303.3- when changes in level (surfaces with slopes and to surfaces with abrupt rise requiring ramps,
  12. turning spaces, for wheelchairs and other mobility devices, to maneuver in order to use doors, fixtures, and telephones. Such changes in level are prohibited in required clear floor and ground spaces, turning spaces, and in similar spaces where people using wheelchairs and other mobility devices must park their mobility aids such as in wheelchair spaces, or maneuver to use elements such as at doors, fixtures, and telephones. 
  13. Floor or Ground Surfaces floor or ground surfaces along accessible routes and in accessible rooms and spaces must be stable, firm, slip-resistant, and comply with  section 302  of the 2010 Standards.
  14. drinking fountains must be mounted at a height for wheelchair users to provide clear floor space for a forward approach with knee and toe clearance.
  15. Dining Surfaces Section 226.1 of the 2010 Standards require that where dining surfaces are provided for the consumption of food or drink, at least five percent (5%) of the seating spaces and standing spaces at the dining surfaces comply with section 902. Section 902.2 requires the provision of accessible knee and toe clearance.
  16. detectable warnings at transit platform edges sections 218, 810.5, 705.1, and 705.2   
  17. handrails-where handrails are  provided along walkways that are not ramps, they shall comply with certain technical requirements.
  18. one hundred percent (100%) of multiple single-user toilet rooms clustered in a single location are required to be handicapped accessible
  19. water closet location 
  20. rear grab bar specifications
  21. toilet paper dispensers: location, size, delivery control and  continuous paper flow
  22. lavatories installed adjacent to the water closet are prohibited from overlapping the clear floor space at water closets
  23. toilet room with in-swinging doors cannot swing into the clear floor space required at any fixture. Section 603.2. 
  24. Turning Space Section requirements to include knee and toe clearance complying with section 306. See http://www.access-board.gov/ada-aba/html/tech-03.html
  25. Sinks-  technical requirements address clear floor space, height, faucets, and exposed pipes and surfaces.
  26. Dressing rooms must be in compliance

AFTER READING THE ABOVE, IS BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION DOING ANYTHING TO BECOME ADA COMPLIANT OR ARE THEY STILL UNDER THE FALSE BELIEF THAT THEY ONLY MUST HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE?

Well, we certainly do not have the time to go through every violation (including those not even listed above, but here are a few the Department of Justice has received complaints about:

 Accessibility to the recreational facility from the parking lot is almost impossible for a handicapped person trying to access it in a wheel chair. The parking lot is gravel, then one must attempt to navigate a steep downhill pathway with no handrails to get to a concrete bridge built across a creek (which has no side safety rails) next the concrete pathway leading uphill to the recreational facility is steep and narrow. The gate cannot even be opened by a handicapped person.

Burning Tree Master Association believes a handicapped person could drive their vehicle from the parking lot across the bridge and  thru the double gates at the recreational facility, located to the left of the pedestrian gate. There is no room to park vehicles inside the fenced area of the recreational facility that is adequate for handicapped parking. Handicapped parking signs must follow the federal guidelines as to what it says, the height and placement of each sign. There is no ramp leading to the pool area gate from here and the area is not paved.   This area does not meet Federal standards. 

Further, the concrete used to support the bridge, the ONLY entrance to the recreational facility, may not have the compressive strength and supports necessary for vehicle use on a regular basis. The bridge does not have side safety rails to keep a vehicle or a person from falling six to seven feet into the dirty creek below. There is not low voltage lighting on the bridge for after dark assess. The culverts fill up with litter and stop the flow of the creek. The walk area from the bridge to the recreational facility is prone to flooding during heavy rains because of the lack of proper drainage. You sometimes have to wait for the water to subside, leaving no exit until it does. 

The parking lot is an open area; no parking spaces are marked and it is covered with gravel. There is no paving in the parking lot for the handicapped allowing them the ability to maneuver around without problems. There are two handicapped designated parking spaces for cars but no space for a van. 

Areas of Sport Activity  There is not a handicap accessible route connecting the recreational facility and the basketball courts, just an uneven steep downhill grassy area which is the only means of access. To get to the gate for the tennis courts from the basketball courts you must climb a very steep grassy embankment and open a narrow gate. There is another gate to the tennis courts located inside the enclosed pool area behind the pool slide; you must navigate the pool slide supports to reach this gate. The narrow gates and lack of a ramp make it non handicap accessible. 

Drinking Fountain   There is not a drinking fountain for persons who use wheelchairs. The drinking fountains are attached to the wall. 

Dining Surfaces  The eating area is not handicap accessible. There is a small concrete ramp too narrow to allow a wheelchair to enter the eating pavilion and there is a set of stairs. There is not sufficient knee and toe clearance for a wheelchair at the tables inside the eating area. 

Accessible Means of Entry to Wading pool.   The wading pool is enclosed by a fence,  the gate is not handicap accessible. 

Detectable Warnings There are no detectible warnings at transit platform edges which sound on contact from adjoining walking surfaces by a distinctively textured surface of truncated domes.  These help to assist someone with poor eyesight move around.    

Handrails along Walkways  The cement pathway after the bridge leading to the recreational facility and the pool area is steep and narrow, approximately two and a half feet wide, and does not have handrails or adequate lighting. The slope, width, and pitch of the pathway are not correct for the handicapped. 


Toilet Facilities Section 603.2.Turning Space Section to be either a circular space or a T-shaped space. Section 304.3 permits turning space to include knee and toe clearance complying with section 306. See http://www.access-board.gov/ada-aba/html/tech-03.html   

Lavatories and Sinks technical requirements address clear floor space, height, faucets, and exposed pipes and surfaces. The clear floor space at sinks is required to be positioned for a forward approach and knee and toe clearance to be provided under the sink. 

Dressing rooms are required to comply with the accessibility requirements of sections 222 and 803 of the 2010 Standards. Where these types of rooms are provided in clusters, five percent (5%) but at least one room in each cluster must comply. 

Service Counters The 2010 Standards, at section 904.4, contain technical requirements for service counters (such as where one would check in).  The nondiscrimination requirements of the ADA regulations require the level of service provided at the accessible portion of any service counter to be the same as the level of service provided at the inaccessible portions of the counter. 

Thresholds at Doorways 2010 Standards have requirements concerning the height of thresholds at all doorways that are part of an accessible route along with requirements for raised thresholds that exceed ¼ inch in height. 

IMPORTANT NOTE: According to the Department of Justice, these are the minimum requirements of the ADA. State and local government have the authority to adopt and enforce their own building codes, but must meet or exceed those contained in the ADA.

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ACCESSIBILITY TO THE INTERNET (Website is non-compliant)

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) also covers accessibility to the Internet. Burning Tree Master Association website burningtreetulsa.com excludes the blind and the deaf from full and equal access and participation in using the Internet.

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires covered entities to furnish appropriate auxiliary aids and services where necessary to ensure effective communication with individuals with disabilities. See 28 C.F.R. 36.303; 28 C.F.R. 35.160.  The policy ruling states that ADA Titles II and III require  the business sector to provide effective communication whenever they communicate through the Internet. The effective communication rule applies to covered entities (an HOA is since it is considered a public accommodation since memberships are sold) using the Internet for communications regarding their programs, goods or services since they must be prepared to offer those communications via an accessible medium.

Those who have a disability and attempt to access a Web site are entitled to equal access as are any other members of the public.

Further, Burning Tree Master Association offers Paypal on their site. How does the Burning Tree Master board of directors expect a person with low vision to access it, so they are treated the same as anyone else?) People who are blind or deaf and others with different disabilities may also have a problem with accessing the information.

United States Department of Justice Policy Ruling, 9/9/96: ADA Accessibility Requirements Apply to Internet Web Pages 10 NDLR 240 In an opinion letter dated September 9, 1996, The U.S. Department of Justice stated that:      “Covered entities under the ADA are required to provide effective communication, regardless of whether they generally communicate through print media, audio media, or computerized media such as the Internet. Covered entities that use the Internet for communications regarding their programs, goods, or services must be prepared to offer those communications through accessible means as well.”

According to a 1996 settlement letter from The Office of Civil Rights of the United States Department of Education (OCR): [T]he issue is not whether the [person] with the disability is merely provided access, but the issue is rather the extent to which the communication is actually as effective as that provided to others.


WERE YOU AWARE THAT OKLAHOMA IS ONE OF THE MANY STATES WITH THEIR OWN LAWS ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE?



  • Oklahoma IT Accessibility Legislation and Resources - Oklahoma IT IT accessibility laws,  legislation, issuing executive orders, and writing policies.
  • The State of Oklahoma passed HB 2197 in 2004 for the provision of electronic and information technology accessibility. Oklahoma's EITA law reflects an ongoing commitment to provide access to information resources and technologies to individuals with disabilities.   Oklahoma Statute: Title 62 Section 34.28, Section 34.29 ,and Section 34.30


  • The United States Access Board (a.k.a. Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board) is an independent federal agency created that is responsible for guideline development under (1) Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, (2) The ADA, (3) The Telecommunications Act of 1996 and (4) The Architectural Barriers Act.   For more information about this, see http://www.access-board.gov/notices/eitaac.htm. 

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    The Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act (separate from the ADA 2010 Standards) is also a FEDERAL requirement. The Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act falls under the Department of Justice ~ U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. The act which went into effect on Dec. 19, 2008 requires federally approved covers, which are domed instead of flat, to prevent swimmers from being trapped under water by drain suction. The pool must be drained down in order to install in the pool and wading pool. The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission now requires additional safeguards in place by May 28, 2012 and no pool should open without this safeguard.  


    However, no preparations have been made by the BTMA to comply with the Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act.
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    UPDATED!  SEE ALSO THE ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS ACT
    WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ADA MANDATE!
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    Much of the above information was condensed from alongthebeatenroad.  Please click to go there to see the REST OF THE STORY.

    Also be sure to read: why the Vice-President of Burning Tree Master Association (who clearly understood what was going on) resigned

    Monday, March 5, 2012

    Burning Tree East (UPDATED)

    BURNING TREE EAST IS A SEPARATE (STAND-ALONE) CORPORATION FROM  BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION

    Attorney Frank Spiegelberg while on the board as BTMA president for many years,sent out a letter,  stating that it is subassociations that are members, not homeowners.

    Had Burning Tree AREA #5 or AREA #6  been set up as  subassociations they would first have to be "approved by declarant" (as required by the Article V of the BTMA Articles of Incorporation). However, this was not done. Instead of approving and then amending BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION, INC. Articles of Incorporation   2100288651  to add BURNING TREE AREA 5 and BURNING TREE AREA 6 to the BTMA Articles of Incorporation which would have tied BTE to the BTMA  Area 5  was set up and filed as a separate corporation BURNING TREE AREA #5 ASSOCIATION, INC.   2100348799. (Area 6 was not set up as a subassociation or a stand alone, either one.)




    You may obtain copies of the  Articles of Incorporation for  both  Burning Tree Area 5 Association and Burning Tree Master Association from the Oklahoma Secretary of State. Since they are separate corporations you will be required to pay for both sets. (If Burning Tree Area 5 was  a subassociation under Burning Tree Master Association you would only need to purchase one document.)








    Burning Tree East is not a "sub-association" under Burning Tree Master Association or any other corporation, according to the Secretary of State's office. Here you can see that they are two distinct corporations:

    • BURNING TREE AREA #5 ASSOCIATION, INC.   2100348799 
    • BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION, INC.    2100288651

    FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED!
    Do not let the Burning Tree Master Association career board members (and their spouse try to confuse you. Call the Secretary of State 405 521-4211 and see for yourself. We all have called and confirmed it for ourselves! 
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     OKLAHOMA STATUTES  ARE VERY SPECIFIC REGARDING REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST FIRST BE MET IN ORDER TO FORM A MANDATORY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. BURNING TREE ONE DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS:

    An “owners association” may be formed by the owner or owners of real estate development for the purpose of:
    • Providing management, maintenance, preservation and control of commonly owned areas or any portion of or interest in them, (Burning Tree East owns no common areas, according to Tulsa County. The pool and the land do not belong to Burning Tree East or, in fact,  to any subdivision! It is all owned solely by Burning Tree Master Association)
     and/or
    • Enforcing all mutual, common or reciprocal interests in or restrictions upon all or portions of such separately owned lots, parcels, or areas, or both. However, the Covenants filed for Burning Tree East, have never allowed any  board of directors to enforce anything. They were written so enforcement is left up to the individual lot owner to handle, if one has a problem with a neighbor.) The following, taken from the Burning Tree East Covenants shows that it was written so enforcing restrictions is left up to the lot owner--every  man for himself!
    Taken from Burning Tree East  Covenants shows if ANYONE attempts to violate the covenants---yes, especially BTMA directors who send assessment letters you have the right to take them to court!! If the parties hereto or any of them or their heirs or assigns, shall violate or attempt to violate any of the covenants herein, it shall be lawful for any other person or person owning any real property situated in said development or subdivision to prosecute any proceedings at law or in equity against the person or persons violation or attempting to violate any such covenants and either prevent him or them from so doing or secure damages or other dues for such violations. WOO-HOO!!!!!
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    According to the Oklahoma statutes  those who form an HOA are required to file a document  at Tulsa County  prior to the forming of a HOA, with signatures of all lot owners in the subdivision at that time, agreeing to a mandatory HOA.  Burning Tree East did not meet the requirements in the Oklahoma Statute for forming the HOA. Why? Because Burning Tree East does NOT own any land. The land in East is owned by the Burning Tree Master Association not by Burning Tree East! Also Burning Tree Easts Covenants do not allow anyone to enforce the covenants but the homeowners....so what is the use of having an HOA for Burning Tree East, anyway?  

    And it gets better....

    That same statue  that states that you have certain requirements to have an HOA wa was amended in 1986 to require that  lot owners, who purchased after the HOA was formed, must be informed in writing when the lot owner accepted the deed (i.e. at closing) that there was an HOA. The lot owner was to be given the governing documents---and no,  the title company just putting  the information inside of an Abstract that the mortgage company hangs on to until the property is paid is not the same thing as informing the lot owner in writing.
    Oklahoma statute  (paragraph C) states:
    No lien may be placed or mortgage foreclosed unless the homeowner was informed in writing upon joining the owners association of the existence and content of the owners association restrictions and rules, and of the potential for financial liability to the individual owner by joining said owners association.
    Where is the proof that you, as a lot owner, were ever informed in writing at the time you accepted the deed (i.e bought the property)? Can Burning Tree Master Association produce any document  that you were informed in writing and did, in fact, receive CC&Rs along with the other information as proof?  This would be simple enough as the title companies have ALWAYS asked Burning Tree Master Association  if there is anything owed on the lot for assessments as they prepare  for the closing. Burning Tree Master Association was quick to give an answer and collect assessments...but wait.....let's not forget that there is another more important reason that the Burning Tree Master Association has no authority to collect any money from homeowners, since the subdivisions are not even tied to the Burning Tree Master Association, according to the Secretary of State.



    Burning Tree Master Association By-Laws state that the Declarant was to approve the Area Homeowners Associations. (This seems to be the only place it was ever mentioned what might possibly tie Burning Tree One to the Burning Tree Master Association. However, according to the office of the Secretary of State, the fact is that the Burning Tree Master Association Articles of Inc. were never amended to add any of the subdivisions corporations as approved!!




    BURNING TREE AREA #5 ASSOCIATION, INC. (Burning Tree East)  is a stand alone corporation completely on its own.   It is important to read the documents instead of blindly following along believing everything Burning Tree Master Association states.  Burning Tree One subdivision has its own by-laws and we can vote in our own directors and officers, just like all the other subdivisions can. We are NOT connected to The Burning Tree Master Association and we do not have to bow down to anyone!. 

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    Note that there are duplexes in the Burning Tree East Covenants   The duplexes a* would be required to pay HOA dues, if other property owners have been required to do so. To not assess the apartments and duplexes would be  a form of discrimination,  just as it is discrimination to force homeowners to pay to take up the slack for the  duplex owners who would not be asked to pay!  (However, it is important to remember that Burning Tree East cannot legally assess anyone). This is because our covenants state that we can only be assessed for ACTUAL repairs, upkeep and maintenance to the facilities and grounds owned by Burning Tree One. We have NONE! Anyone (board of directors)  who does assess, or attempts to assess is violating our covenants and can, and should be, taken to court.


    Further, the Burning Tree Master Association cannot simply change their  by-laws to exclude duplexes and apartments  (as Burning Tree Master Association board of directors has actually claimed!!)   References to the duplexes and apartments are contained within a subdivisions covenants, which Burning Tree Master Association has no authority whatsoever to touch.


    Click to read a response to board


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    Wednesday, February 29, 2012

    Foot for Thought (by Will)

    Hey,

    I been pondering the question of where in the free world can someone hoist themselves into the throne as officers and directors on the Burdened Tree Master Association when (according to the legal documents)they themselves aren't even a member. Yet they puff themselves up and throw their weight around and demand under threats to get money from homeowners and use that money as they well please.

    Only in the Burned Out Tree.   Ain't that something? I tell you what. 

    Now that attorney representing the insurance company for some of the wrongful acts the Burnt Tree Master Association already did,  said the aforementioned  Burning Team Master Association directors had no bidness assessing homeowners. Well, what do you know....Them people in the South who tried to tell us weren't dumb afterall. And it is right there in everyone's covenants. Git 'em out and look!   And you will see it for yourself if you have a lick of sense that just like that Mr. Speigelberg that attorney who sat on the bored for years said in that letter that it isn't the homeowners who live in the area who were the members of the Burdened Tree. 

    And the office of the Oklahoma Secretary of State was who realized  when they looked at them Articles of Incorporation and really surprised all of us homeowners when they said that them corporations for  Burning Treat O'SPEW (that stands for Burning Treat One, South, Plaza, East and West) anywho, they said for sure that it clearly shows that the subdivisions are NOT tied in to the Burned Tea Master Association. Well I looked myself and sure enough they was right. The proof is in them Burled Tree Master Assoc Articles of Incorporation. The subdivisions could have been if that developer/former Burped Tea Master Assoc President had not been in such a hurry to get out of the door before it hit him in the behind when he got caught for things he was doing and he got sued by the homeowners...and  homeowners already won once for wrong things being done!  

    I asked this once before and nobody could answer: exactly who are members if it isn't the homeowner nor the subdivision? Everyone of them board members who tries to read them legal documents shrugs their shoulders and says, "Meh".  I guess they can't understand them so they act like it is no big deal.  Them career board members who  parked themselves on the Burnett Tree Master Association board  are not members of the corporation. One may own property in the Burning Tree Area but that does NOT automatically make one a member...and it isn't the subdivisions that are the members, since the paperwork was not filed correctly....so who in the world would be the legal members? Do you become a member by wanting to be?  Would it be those who  buy  an Associate Membership?

    If no one is a member then how did the ones who got on the board decide they had the right to be on the board? 'Peers to me that if anyone can get in there and start bossing and making rules then we need to be inviting our neighbors in the apartments to come on down to the meetings at the Grove School. They have as much right to run that bored as anyone now on it.

    Looking forward to an answer to my question but gotta run. The wife has her eye on one of them early American powder blue flowered couch, with a ruffled flounce skirt, for the front room, that she found under the free section on the Craig's list. I gotta get out of here for she has me wrestling it home to the front room.



    If you don't have your Covenants or by-laws or the Articles of Incorporation then  e-mail the team here on the neighbordialogue at:  truthandhonor1st@hotmail.com some of them is  real nice folks who will help you get your legal documents. 


    BE SURE TO READ THIS

    Burning Tree Master Association board of directors coming to ask if you want a Two tiered assessment

    The D&O attorney (representing the insurance company for some of the wrongful acts the Burning Tree Master Association has done) already explained to the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors that they cannot assess homeowners, as homeowners are not their members.


    Why is that?

    The developer failed to declare any subdivisions as members (as the Burning Tree Master Association Articles of Incorporation state would have had to be done to make any subdivision part of the Burning Tree Master Association). The Secretary of States office said the developer never amended the Burning Tree Master Association  Article of Incorporation to make them members. 

    What does that mean? 
    Since the developer failed to do so, the subdivisions and the homeowners within them are not part of the Burning Tree Master Association!    (A recent Burning Tree Master Association president  was surprised to learn from the Secretary of State's office that no subdivision is tied to the Burning Tree Master Association. She had called there for something else and the office of the Secretary of State informed her that she was wrong in thinking that the subdivisions were tied in to the Burning Tree Master Association)

    Homeowners and subdivisions are not members of the Burning Tree Master Association simply because they have Burning Tree in the  name of the subdivision! (Just as my maiden name might be King but I am not tied to any royal family.)

    Burning Tree Master Association board of directors have no authority to demand homeowners pay assessments.  Certain clueless board members are "setting up" both Burning Tree Master Association and themselves with their plan to assess homeowners. (Attorneys for two of the groups of homeowners trying to get the truth out to all homeowners have advised that if the board does put any liens on any property when the homeowners do NOT owe it (this is called slander of title) the board members are setting themselves up personally along with the Burning Tree Master Association. The attorneys reminded the board of directors that in Oklahoma that can mean treble damages. Treble damages means TRIPLE the amount!!   


    Have you hear the latest brilliant idea of the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors? They are actually planning to come come around and ask you if you want to pay assessments in two tiers. HELLLLLLLOOOOO? Why would any homeowner want to throw money that they do not owe?


     LET THE BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS KNOW THAT YOU AREN'T STUPID AND YOU KNOW THE FACTS: You don't owe it. You are certainly welcome to get out your checkbook and write a check for whatever amount you wish to give....but you do not have to. (Attorneys have told homeowners to have Burning Tree Master Association board of directors show you by what authority they are assessing. If they say, "It is in the legals" as Richard Coffey --who is no longer on the  board--keeps chanting at meetings, then you might remind them that the legal description found in the Burning Tree Master Association Articles of Incorporation shows simply where the Burning Tree Master Association owns land. Period!  It is very sad that some have never been able to comprehend that simple fact.


     * TeShauna Conrad, while Burning Tree Master Association President was shocked when informed by the office of the Oklahoma Secretary of State that none of the subdivisions  were tied to the  Burning Tree Master Association (or had ever been) due to the way the paperwork was filed. Thus Burning Tree Master Association had no authority to demand or collect money from homeowners and certainly not to lien anyone. 

    When the attorneys read the legal paperwork they agreed with the Secretary of State that none of the subdivisions were ever tied to Burning Tree Master Association. This means not only that Burning Tree Master Association has never had  any authority to  assess or threaten homeowners they also could not come to the subdivisions HOA and demand it.  A majority of Burning Tree South took a stand for what was right after reading the documents and simply filed the information with Tulsa County. (Burning Tree Master Association board of directors continue to holler that Burning Tree South filed a petition to "pull away".    Burning Tree South did not pull away; they didn't have to. Like all the other subdivisions Burning Tree South is simply not and never was, tied to the  Burning Tree Master Association.

    We know of two other subdivisions working on their petitions. This seems to be the only way some of the  Burning Tree Master Association board of directors will "get it". 


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    1. If there are no members of the Burning Tree Master Association ....the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors has no one (nor any entity) to assess.
    2. Since it isn't homeowners or subdivisions* who are members doesn't that leave only associate members to be the members?
    3. And with no other members wouldn't all memberships have to be Associate Memberships?(Most of us do not need one as we do not go to that old pool as there is a much nicer pool at Sungate, across Memorial if we ever wanted to go so will not be buying a membership.)

    Sounds to me like
    if there are only associate members then the Burning Tree Master Association  pool would not be a private pool, but a public pool. Selling memberships or letting in guests makes it a public pool so maybe the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors think they need lifeguards.  Workman compensation, taxes prepared for employees, etc. is a chunk of the money that will be blown through again this year.
     

    And, further, since it can't be a private pool the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors must comply with the ADA rules that require lifts to be installed. 

    By the way,  where are the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors going to get all of this money to pay for everything? This is  on top of this deficit they claim they have had going on for several years, even before Burning Tree South homeowners wised up....special assessments from the few remaining homeowners who do not know their rights when they get the assessment letter in the mail from the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors.

    And if the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors fails to comply, when they get the fine who do you think the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors will try to demand money from to pay for their willful wrong?




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    Monday, February 27, 2012

    Burning Tree Master Association Officers and Directors 2011-2012


    Julie Lindquist President 918 230-5548
    Julie.Lindquist@kci1.com
    Vice President       

    Rick Lau Secretary/Treasurer 
    ricklau64@hotmail.com 
    Elayne Coffey Director 
    elayne524@gmail.com
    Todd Nelson Director 
    toddnelson@cox.net 
    Joe Hirsch Director 
    joehirsch5@cox.net
    Tracy Campbell Director 
    tracman918@hotmail.com
    Marcia Lysinger Director 
    marjery@valornet.com
    Mike Perry Director 
    perrysail@gmail.com

    Friday, February 24, 2012

    lots of complaints living in an HOA. What is with that?

    Lots of whining has always been done by those who don't even participate in trying to make changes. They don't attend any meetings and then get a one sided opinion from someone on their block and think they know what is going on. Uninformed opinions add little to the discussion or to an understanding of the issues


    GIVING BURNING TREE MASTER ASSOCIATION CARTE BLANCHE WITH YOUR MONEY
    Not showing up means you assent to the Burning Tree Master Association board  making whatever decisions to "do whatever they want to with your assessment"   "behind closed doors". And many really seriously bad decisions have been made.

    Look at the record of past boards. Why in the world would you continue to leave it to  a board that makes unlawful decisions which costs you money because you aren't aware that you do NOT owe it! Even if you did owe it it is way overpriced for an HOA of this age and the homes price range. (Check out what nearby HOAs pay.)


    It upsets you to go to meetings?
    Thank goodness for those who will show up and speak up for what is honest when they see the Burning Tree Board of Directors doing things that are against the Covenants and by-laws.

    When you have HOA board members violating the covenants homeowners feel disheartened to know that things are not being done fairly. Numerous homeowners have said they feel intimidated and coerced into paying assessments they know they do not owe. The threat to their reputation, by having a lien is what terrifies them into paying what they do not owe. The BTMA knows this and when questioned if they have the authority to assess homeowners board members do not say they have any authority but that they are going to do it! (Unbelievable, huh?)

    This attitude is what steals all desire to be neighborly. Why would someone want to get out and help clean up the neighborhood if they are getting nothing for the money they are forced to pay....and then expected to also clean? Good Grief!



    Don't you love that after  meetings there is no communication from the BTMA board? Every meeting should be recorded (both audio and video and posted on a website for all of us to see and hear. What is so much done in secret? (We have obtained a calendar of their meetings and we recommend you go and speak up when you hear something that is not right.)

    Someone stupidly asked "Why not do tiered assessments?"  Hey, guy, we are not a bunch of uneducated hicks. Read the legal documents....According to our Covenants we don't have to pay any assessments to the BTMA, at all.  Furthermore if you will look at the covenants homeowners are only required to pay for actual repair upkeep and maintenance of the common grounds and facilities that belong to our own subdivision. AND THERE ARE NONE!!!!  



    What type of neighborhood do you want? A neighborhood where you feel safe? Since we do not owe the BTMA why don't we use the money they have been taking from us to throw in that old pool (that only a few homeowners use that is sucking money down the drain) and each subdivision use theirs toward security for their area? 


    What do you believe enhances the neighborhood more? What is more appealing to people when they buy a home that ancient pool or the feeling of security?

    Lets see....security for all...... or a pool open a little over 3 months for a few homeowners?     

    We are not talking about something as foolish as each of us take a turn at night patrolling the area area for a few hours. Who is their right mind would be willing to volunteer to drive around at night wasting their gas, getting no sleep, when they have to go to work in the morning and all the while wondering if being unarmed and possibly seeing something is a good idea? Most of us are 40+ and simply too old to be out there acting like a rent-a-cop.    Besides, whose insurance would cover it if we got hurt doing something the association set up for us to do?  

    Over priced assessments (WHICH WE HOMEOWNERS DID NOT OWE!!) have been thrown into the pool and sucked down the drain because the only ones who will sit on the board are those who apparently have never had anything so nice as that before.  (Are those termites holding hands to keep that building standing? And we love the pictures posted of all the mouse trails in the room where the candy and pop is kept. GAG ME!!!) Most of the homeowners have no desire to go to that ugly thing.  Come on....how often do YOU go lay around that thing? 


    Only way to stop the nonsense? Personal responsibility ....Come sit at the grown-ups table...Show that you are educated by not taking someones else's word for everything...Read the legal documents....and if you can't understand them read the blogs as we have some well-educated homeowners who do understand them. Show up and speak out about what is wrong! It affects you....and your wallet.

    Most of the  people who crave sitting on the board of directors have never run a business (successfully or otherwise)....nor had any business training...so let's stop bowing down to them.

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    Tuesday, January 24, 2012

    The Dark Side Of Homeowner's Associations


    Unlike the American system of government, there are no minimum levels of education or competency required to be a board member. Unlike the American system of government, a HOA has no system of checks and balances. HOA board members simultaneously occupy the legislative, judicial, and executive branches without oversight. ( make the rules, judge according to their "whims", who or who is not worthy to carry out a task,  spend the people's money as the board wishes without input from the residents) The board creates rules without homeowner input. In disputes with homeowners, the board acts as accuser, judge, and jury.
    • No competency requirements
    • No accountability
    • No checks and balances
    • No oversight

      Over the years, many homeowners have volunteered to help out; many of those would be volunteers claim the board greeted them with varying degrees of indifference, rudeness, and in some cases, outright hostility—lots of hostility.

     "It’s a thankless job" is a line that every board has used at one time or another. Often times it is true that some board members are under appreciated for the good they do. But if this really were such a miserable undertaking then why is it that some board members keep coming back again, and again, and again?

    The truth is that, for some people, being a board member is a very satisfying position with a number of rewards and perks. The types of people that are attracted to, and truly enjoy, these volunteer positions, too often, turn out to be the neighborhood authoritarians, the control freaks; every neighborhood has them. Abrasive and or adversarial personality traits are not uncommon. These people are the lynchpin of the HOA system; management companies and association attorneys depend upon their willingness to engage in conflicts with homeowners to generate a steady flow of income. And, backed up as they are by an institution that would make any third world totalitarian dictator emerald green with envy, they generally prove to be quite up to the task.

    The Lie: Without a Homeowner’s Association, the homeowners would desecrate the neighborhood and destroy the property values. Visions of cars parked on the yard, unsightly outbuildings, fences in dis repair, dance through their minds eye. OH Wait! We have that already in our neighborhood, and we have a HOA!

    Another Lie: "You knew what you were getting into when you bought your home."
    This statement is offered as the usual line of defense whenever a board of directors is accused of misconduct. It is an excuse that many homeowners are already very familiar with.


    Thursday, September 29, 2011

    Past board members and others....In Their Own Words



    The purpose of this series is to show that honest questions have been and continue to be asked, with little or no resolution, and how questions began.  Hence, the frustration and lack of participation of the residents to attend meetings. Hopefully, this will shed some light on how and where it all began.

    For your reading enjoyment lets take a stroll down memory lane, and see "in their own words", perspectives from residents on various subjects. Not rumors, or innuendos, just honest people asking honest questions.

    During this series of posts, each topic will have the title In Their Own Words followed by the specific topic.

    • Click here and then read the comments at the bottom to read what Janie Lyon  wrote telling how they decided to combine the corporations without the merger the Oklahoma Statures calls for. 
    • Mark Basore asks some questions