It has been over a year since any information has been posted on the "Official" Burning Tree website, leaving residents no access to important information on all things Burning Tree.
No minutes of the meetings, schedules of meetings, places or times. No calendar of events or ways to reach volunteers for projects.
The many writers and contributors to this forum have agreed to allow this blog to become that access. The contact email is at the top of the home page, so when you have an idea, complaint, high-five or just want to share a story, please do so with the provided email. As the name states; this is a place for dialogue.
Thank you for this opportunity.
Sunday, September 22, 2013
Sunday, January 13, 2013
Trash Can Etiquette
Everyone is familiar with the saying....Love thy neighbor; but it is extremely important that we love and respect the rules of neighborhood etiquette.
Trash is unsightly, smelly, cumbersome; it is trash after all, and that is the reason we get it out of our houses! Please do not leave your trash cans out for days on end after pickup, or keep them perpetually by the curb, in your front yard, or in front of your garage! Yes, our new trash containers are big and ugly, but please consider how those blue and black containers look where you have placed them. A quick drive around our addition and you will find those containers sitting in front yards, in front of garages and any manner of various places. Maybe if they had little white lights wrapped around them they would at least be pretty at night! Please neighbors, Burning Tree is starting to look like.....(you fill in the blank)
A daunting task perhaps, but some suggestions have been to keep them behind a fence, on the side of the house hidden by some shrubs or trees, or in the garage. Please remember to pick up garbage and recycling containers in a timely manner. And don't forget, Mamma wouldn't be happy as common sense trash can etiquette vanishes in our fast-paced world..............
Trash is unsightly, smelly, cumbersome; it is trash after all, and that is the reason we get it out of our houses! Please do not leave your trash cans out for days on end after pickup, or keep them perpetually by the curb, in your front yard, or in front of your garage! Yes, our new trash containers are big and ugly, but please consider how those blue and black containers look where you have placed them. A quick drive around our addition and you will find those containers sitting in front yards, in front of garages and any manner of various places. Maybe if they had little white lights wrapped around them they would at least be pretty at night! Please neighbors, Burning Tree is starting to look like.....(you fill in the blank)
A daunting task perhaps, but some suggestions have been to keep them behind a fence, on the side of the house hidden by some shrubs or trees, or in the garage. Please remember to pick up garbage and recycling containers in a timely manner. And don't forget, Mamma wouldn't be happy as common sense trash can etiquette vanishes in our fast-paced world..............
Friday, November 9, 2012
Will on the Fall Festival
What in tarnation happened to the fine ole Chillee Cookin Contest that was paraded around with much fanfare and hot air? An we all was so sad we couldn't get our pumpkins down to the pool area, like Jewels told her neighbor and that neighbor told...........
Ya know they even put it in there August nooseletter, for sure now they did! Em Jae is really in a pickle now cause she done told all her 27 cousins that they ain't gonna git any of them fine chillee fixins! Tried to console her by sayin that maybe theys gonna have that chillee cookin contest on the Forth of July when it's really hot outside so when you eats all that hot 'n spicey food it won't matter no how, cause you are already sweatin!
An Em Jae's fourteenth cousin Bob was all excited 'bout gettin in the pool and catchin some apples.
Guess it jest goes to show you that if it ain't happenin down to the pool in the summer, well, by golly darn, it ain't never gonna happen, cause most of them ole bored members are blowin hot air jest like the ole summer winds................
Ya know they even put it in there August nooseletter, for sure now they did! Em Jae is really in a pickle now cause she done told all her 27 cousins that they ain't gonna git any of them fine chillee fixins! Tried to console her by sayin that maybe theys gonna have that chillee cookin contest on the Forth of July when it's really hot outside so when you eats all that hot 'n spicey food it won't matter no how, cause you are already sweatin!
An Em Jae's fourteenth cousin Bob was all excited 'bout gettin in the pool and catchin some apples.
Guess it jest goes to show you that if it ain't happenin down to the pool in the summer, well, by golly darn, it ain't never gonna happen, cause most of them ole bored members are blowin hot air jest like the ole summer winds................
What's Up With The BTMA?
Well, let's see................
Minutes from meetings have not been posted on their website since June, no mention of the newly elected directors and officers from the September Annual Meeting, and where and what time are the meetings currently held?
Meanwhile, all the trees in the common areas (rose bushes, crepe myrtles) are withering and dying from lack of water. The green belt areas are starting to look like 'the land that time forgot'. One can only surmise that is what happens when you have a board of directors with tunnel vision, as in, the pool is the only thing worth spending people's money on. Does the board not realize that maintaining the common areas and greenbelt areas is the BTMA's responsibility?
And in another completely related story:
A homeowner who is in the process of re-financing their home, found out the value has dropped $8,000 dollars in just 3 years! This home has been completely remodeled, is on a very large lot and has a pool! The question was asked if it was because the housing market in Tulsa is down, and the reply was no; the housing market in Tulsa is very much alive and prices are holding steady. It is the perception of a declining area that will hurt home values, and the appraiser surely got an eye full while cruising the 'hood'.
The dead and shriveled shrubs and trees just scream neglect! Falling down fences, garbage cans in front yards, limbs piled high in the greenbelt areas (for weeks on end) sends a message to those driving by, this is a neighborhood in decline.
Alas, all this will just fall on the deaf ears of the board because they only have eyes for their beloved pool. One will never find plants in need of water inside those gates, nor a lack of money spent on making certain the pool area looks good! Projects are discussed, some are started; most are left in the trash bin to be recycled with good intentions ad nauseam.
Fingers will point, tempers will flare and next year all the dead trees and shrubs will be uprooted and new ones planted, only to die yet again from lack of water and neglect. Brings to mind the old adage: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Minutes from meetings have not been posted on their website since June, no mention of the newly elected directors and officers from the September Annual Meeting, and where and what time are the meetings currently held?
Meanwhile, all the trees in the common areas (rose bushes, crepe myrtles) are withering and dying from lack of water. The green belt areas are starting to look like 'the land that time forgot'. One can only surmise that is what happens when you have a board of directors with tunnel vision, as in, the pool is the only thing worth spending people's money on. Does the board not realize that maintaining the common areas and greenbelt areas is the BTMA's responsibility?
And in another completely related story:
A homeowner who is in the process of re-financing their home, found out the value has dropped $8,000 dollars in just 3 years! This home has been completely remodeled, is on a very large lot and has a pool! The question was asked if it was because the housing market in Tulsa is down, and the reply was no; the housing market in Tulsa is very much alive and prices are holding steady. It is the perception of a declining area that will hurt home values, and the appraiser surely got an eye full while cruising the 'hood'.
The dead and shriveled shrubs and trees just scream neglect! Falling down fences, garbage cans in front yards, limbs piled high in the greenbelt areas (for weeks on end) sends a message to those driving by, this is a neighborhood in decline.
Alas, all this will just fall on the deaf ears of the board because they only have eyes for their beloved pool. One will never find plants in need of water inside those gates, nor a lack of money spent on making certain the pool area looks good! Projects are discussed, some are started; most are left in the trash bin to be recycled with good intentions ad nauseam.
Fingers will point, tempers will flare and next year all the dead trees and shrubs will be uprooted and new ones planted, only to die yet again from lack of water and neglect. Brings to mind the old adage: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Sunday, October 21, 2012
Christmas Lights Contest
Back by popular demand.........
Except this years Christmas Light Contest is Not sponsored by the BTMA! Can you say Whoo-Hoo!
Donations from outside the BTMA are coming in, and hopefully the corporate sponsor some have been courting, will sign on with even bigger prizes next year!
Every area within Burning Tree is part of the contest, whether owner or renter, duplex or single family residence.
Two years ago the BTMA allowed $100.00 for the contest. This year donations are $200.00 plus gift certificates from local business and restaurants.
Judging the contest will be a combination of non-residents and residents of the Burning Tree Area.
Contest dates are from December 15-19th, and prizes will be awarded to the winners the evening of December 21st, 2012 (Friday evening).
Happy decorating! Let's light our neighborhood up!
Except this years Christmas Light Contest is Not sponsored by the BTMA! Can you say Whoo-Hoo!
Donations from outside the BTMA are coming in, and hopefully the corporate sponsor some have been courting, will sign on with even bigger prizes next year!
Every area within Burning Tree is part of the contest, whether owner or renter, duplex or single family residence.
Two years ago the BTMA allowed $100.00 for the contest. This year donations are $200.00 plus gift certificates from local business and restaurants.
Judging the contest will be a combination of non-residents and residents of the Burning Tree Area.
Contest dates are from December 15-19th, and prizes will be awarded to the winners the evening of December 21st, 2012 (Friday evening).
Happy decorating! Let's light our neighborhood up!
Monday, September 24, 2012
Please get out your covenants and read them for yourself!
In the following you will see that Burning Tree Plaza Certificate/Deed of Dedication is the only one that states that the HOA is a member....even though Burning Tree West and Burning Tree East can also be assessed.
Recently a letter was sent by the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors to homeowners which states that homeowners are "covenant obligated" to pay assessments. It was also stated by a director that since the Secretary of State did not show the corporations were tied together that it is within the Certificate/Deed of Dedication that one will find if the HOAs were "approved by declarant".
It is within the Certificate/Deed of Dedication where one will find if the HOA was "approved by declarant". That being said, all attorneys for homeowners who have read the documents, including an attorney who lives in Burning Tree have seen that:
Thus, only three areas (Burning Tree East, Burning Tree Plaza, and Burning Tree West) can be lawfully assessed and of those three, only the Burning Tree Plaza Association shows to be a member of the Burning Tree Master Association.
Further, the covenants state that every lot owner has an EASEMENT to use the facilities in their own subdivision and of the Burning Tree Master Association as long as they abide by the rules and regulations.
What are the rules and regulations that one must abide by to use the Burning Tree Master Association facilities? According to the Burning Tree Master Association by-laws rules and regulations govern the use of the common area and facilities, and the personal conduct of the members and their guests therein, and penalties for the infraction thereof. (The apartments and duplexes are part of Burning Tree and have the same easement to use the facilities. )
Only members can vote, right? So anyone who votes (proxy or not) and is not a member would be doing so unlawfully. What happens at the meeting on Monday night will be recorded by several homeowners to verify for the court that the minutes match what is recorded.
The developer filed the documents as you read them today....Again, the covenants do not, and never have, given the Burning Tree Master Association any right to assess in Burning Tree South or Burning Tree (" One") subdivisions. In fact, Burning Tree South never needed a petition to try to get away from Burning Tree Master Association!
Burning Tree Master Association's own Articles of Incorporation state that the members are the owners association, not the lot owners, no matter how much the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors tries to spin it. Further, several homeowners are in possession of a letter written by a former President of the Burning Tree Master Association who was an attorney and who stated that the homeowners are not the members. The covenants do state that anyone owning a lot can prosecute at law anyone who attempts to violate or has violated the covenants.
Please get out your covenants and read them for yourself! If you do not have a copy or if yours are too small to read: TeShauna purchased the maps of all subdivisions and the deed/certificate of dedication from Tulsa County (and has had them blown up). You are welcome to look at them to read it for yourself.
Click on these links to the attorneys Thomas Affeldt and Scott Byrd (with different law firms) to read their letters regarding Burning Tree Master Association putting on liens without authority to do so.
Burning Tree Plaza Certificate/Deed of Dedication is the only one that states that the HOA is a member....even though Burning Tree West and Burning Tree East can also be assessed.
Please read: http://neighbordialogue.blogspot.com/2012/04/dear-burning-tree-resident-on-march-26.html
Recently a letter was sent by the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors to homeowners which states that homeowners are "covenant obligated" to pay assessments. It was also stated by a director that since the Secretary of State did not show the corporations were tied together that it is within the Certificate/Deed of Dedication that one will find if the HOAs were "approved by declarant".
It is within the Certificate/Deed of Dedication where one will find if the HOA was "approved by declarant". That being said, all attorneys for homeowners who have read the documents, including an attorney who lives in Burning Tree have seen that:
- Covenants for Burning Tree One/Two and Burning Tree South do not give ANY authority to the Burning Tree Master Association.
- While Covenants for Burning Tree East, Burning Tree West, and Burning Tree Plaza do give the Master Association the authority to assess only the Burning Tree Plaza HOA is shown to be a member.
- The BTMA Articles of Incorporation states that the MEMBERS are the area associations that have been approved by declarant: Every Burning Tree Area Owners Association approved by the Declarant shall be a member of this corporation. (It does not say it is homeowners who are. Each subdivision has their own incorporated homeowners association, except for one small area in Burning Tree East that never was set up.) Yet, it looks like those lots with houses have been assessed and some even liened!
Thus, only three areas (Burning Tree East, Burning Tree Plaza, and Burning Tree West) can be lawfully assessed and of those three, only the Burning Tree Plaza Association shows to be a member of the Burning Tree Master Association.
Further, the covenants state that every lot owner has an EASEMENT to use the facilities in their own subdivision and of the Burning Tree Master Association as long as they abide by the rules and regulations.
What are the rules and regulations that one must abide by to use the Burning Tree Master Association facilities? According to the Burning Tree Master Association by-laws rules and regulations govern the use of the common area and facilities, and the personal conduct of the members and their guests therein, and penalties for the infraction thereof. (The apartments and duplexes are part of Burning Tree and have the same easement to use the facilities. )
Only members can vote, right? So anyone who votes (proxy or not) and is not a member would be doing so unlawfully. What happens at the meeting on Monday night will be recorded by several homeowners to verify for the court that the minutes match what is recorded.
The developer filed the documents as you read them today....Again, the covenants do not, and never have, given the Burning Tree Master Association any right to assess in Burning Tree South or Burning Tree (" One") subdivisions. In fact, Burning Tree South never needed a petition to try to get away from Burning Tree Master Association!
Burning Tree Master Association's own Articles of Incorporation state that the members are the owners association, not the lot owners, no matter how much the Burning Tree Master Association board of directors tries to spin it. Further, several homeowners are in possession of a letter written by a former President of the Burning Tree Master Association who was an attorney and who stated that the homeowners are not the members. The covenants do state that anyone owning a lot can prosecute at law anyone who attempts to violate or has violated the covenants.
Please get out your covenants and read them for yourself! If you do not have a copy or if yours are too small to read: TeShauna purchased the maps of all subdivisions and the deed/certificate of dedication from Tulsa County (and has had them blown up). You are welcome to look at them to read it for yourself.
Click on these links to the attorneys Thomas Affeldt and Scott Byrd (with different law firms) to read their letters regarding Burning Tree Master Association putting on liens without authority to do so.
Burning Tree Plaza Certificate/Deed of Dedication is the only one that states that the HOA is a member....even though Burning Tree West and Burning Tree East can also be assessed.
Please read: http://neighbordialogue.blogspot.com/2012/04/dear-burning-tree-resident-on-march-26.html
Sunday, September 23, 2012
Howdy! Its me Em Jae, Will's lady
Me and Will plum forgot to go by TeShaunda's at 9023 E 68th on Saturday to see them documents she got from Tulsa County. We need to see the one that nobody seemed to know nothing about.
Well, that Miss TeShaunna she said anyone is welcome to come by and see them today, Sunday, for themself. She will be home.
I been reading several of the blogs and landssakesalive I think I could write a book review. The documents all counterdix each other. I sure am glad that one woman who merged all the accounts of all the corporations together back when she and her husband was setting them up said that it is the covenants that you go by and she said you can have a hoa without being incorporated. And she knows! She is exactly right that the covenants rule. So you all remember it was that merger lady said that. Them tape recording machines come in real handy.
Anyone need a ride over to see the documents? Will is revving up the El Camino as I write. Just let me know and we'll swing by and get you. There is room for several more in the back. (We are going to make a Sunday drive of the neigbhorhood like we see some of the other neibhors doing when they drive around looking and looking. We will be on Teshawnnas doorstep about lunch time. Someone said she is all proper and will feed you real nice if you go to her house at mealtime so I skipped my second cereal bowl full of Toasty O's for breakfast and my stomach sure is growling.)
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